.Andrei Pivovarov was among the 16 prisoners devoid of Russia in last week's primary detainee substitution in between Moscow as well as the West.The prominent opponent protestor, 42, was managed a Warsaw-bound airplane by Russian surveillance companies in 2021 after the pro-democracy group Open Russia, which he moved, was actually outlawed as " unwanted." He was actually penalized to four years in prison in 2022 for his partner with the group.The Moscow Times spoke with Pivovarov about the swap and also his plans for the future:.MT: Just how performed you think when you were being needed to the flight terminal? Performed you understand that it was actually an exchange?AP: Due to the opportunity our experts came to the flight terminal, it was actually currently very clear that our company were being required to an exchange, however our company really did not understand where.I guess I totally understood the extremely reality of what was actually occurring when I was being drawn from the swarm on Saturday early morning. It was actually the 25th [of July] I noticed that one thing remarkable was taking place because I was actually gotten by the scalp of the nest as well as he individually assisted me hold my traits. However there were actually no specifics.You tend to think the most awful in any kind of vague circumstance. I possessed all kind of notions. Yet there was actually a moment when I was delivered-- I needed to sign for a dry supply. As well as I see a name on the previous line: Alexandra Skochilenko. And I make sure that if Sasha and I are actually all together, it is actually rarely a negative account.I believed that it will resemble in the motion pictures-- an arena where we are pardoned due to the tsar as well as released facing the RT electronic cameras. The 2nd opportunity was actually a version of the theorists' plane, which unfortunately turned out to be even more real in life.However every little thing was covered up until the very conclusion. When our experts were offered Lefortovo [Prison, just before the swap], our team resided in seclusion and also can certainly not consult with any person.On Thursday morning they took us a launch certification without any purchase amount, absolutely nothing. Our team had half a hr to pack, we took our things.There were actually folks in hides and outfits with our team. If any one of us withstood and declined to be expelled, their task was to place us on the aircraft by any means. They explicitly told us that later.The initial person I viewed on the bus was [Ilya] Yashin. It was undoubtedly pleasant to see him. There recognized as well as unfamiliar skins afterwards, but individually, I was actually extremely worried whether Volodya Kara-Murza will be there. He was one of the last to be produced, which was a huge relief, because he possesses the longest sentence.Perform you know who pushed for your addition in the list?How the checklists were formed is a mystery to me. I have not had the capacity to speak with all my colleagues however. From my understanding, there were different teams from which info was actually acquired and also the final listing was actually considerably larger than what you have found. And also it was actually shortened through Russia. When all the dreams were gathered and interacted as well as sort of set, far fewer people were eventually discharged.You were actually expected to become launched in a month ...This is among the most challenging points for me. If you consider my criminal lawsuit, the time frame that I had actually left behind [to provide] can easily certainly not be actually reviewed to the relations to the others [political captives]I may point out that I have information coming from many sources that the chance of my launch [in the end of my sentence] was actually not promised. That is actually why I wound up on the list. Our company've viewed instances where people were actually jailed on their escape of the colony due to the fact that some brand-new criminal scenarios levelled. And unfortunately, there were actually telephone calls that claimed that in my situation, the outcome could not be actually the best.What are your strategies currently? Perform you recognize what you will do in the future?I am actually now a person without papers and also no sense of home. I was given out a Russian inner key and I have 2 documents-- one substitutes my [overseas travel permit] and the 2nd substitutes my visa. As it was revealed to me, these documents permit me to keep in Germany for 15 times-- particularly in Germany, certainly not in the EU. It's challenging to make severe plannings. So in the beginning, naturally, I want to fix the residential components.And then-- I have been performing social and political work with 15-20 years. My keep in prison did not repel me coming from it, but on the contrary determined me much more. I possess some ideas, as I possessed time to think as well as contemplate [behind bars]And also the main goal here, probably, is to make an effort to talk much more with those that stayed inside [Russia] To attempt to provide a planning to deal with those that might certainly not be our supporters, however that are actually frustrated with what is taking place. If we may provide [individuals in Russia] the option to share themselves without putting themselves at significant danger, I believe that's what a democratic force needs to carry out.